I could pull a very similar quote from the file that dropped today
I wasn't going to bother you with any of this stuff anymore, but this one was in there and I thought you'd get a kick out of it:1
Ra: I am Ra. This is, to a great extent, correct. The exception is the sounding of some of what you call your Hebrew and some of what you call your Sanskrit vowels. These sound vibration complexes have power before time and space and represent configurations of light which built all that there is.
74.18 Questioner: Why do these sounds have this property?
Ra: I am Ra. The correspondence in vibratory complex is mathematical.
I don't know much Sanskrit, but.... Hebrew is an abjad and Sanskrit is an abugida. That means that in Hebrew, the writing is merely of consonants and the vowels are assumed. In an abugida, each letter is a combination of vowel and consonant. I'm not sure what the question was and what he is saying is correct, but I don't even understand what this is supposed to mean. I certainly have no idea what a vibratory complex is nor how the correspondence could be mathematical. Honestly, I think you are doing the shamanistic thing that PVK does. He is capable of finding sense in even the most nonsensical of things. Which is a great skill. But it seriously hampers your bullshit detector sometimes, it seems to me.
Does this Ra have any predictions for the near future that we can anticipate and falsify?
July 3, 2021
vibratory complex means sound, and i see how that'd be confusing. I mapped it to cymatics
I had just read that conversation about your ancient versus modern hebrew speaking from your discord before coming across that, so I was primed with you speaking ancient better than modern, and then came across that bit about ancient hebrew
We don't really know what ancient Hebrew sounded like. Not really.
People have tried to reconstruct it.
I'm broken clock theory - I assume there's bullshit and presumption mixed through everything, versus rejecting the entirety of a thing when I think I found something wrong
The real reason I'm stuck on this is because the cosmology comes with a purpose for creation. Christianity doesn't offer that, it's story is "God made a Garden for his pets, but then they disobeyed" with humanity's greatest goal being "we might can be pets again if he ever comes back."
with Ra, we're here to pick how we love and lean into it or repeat this level until we do, with learning wisdom the goal of that existence
Have you heard the Kabbalistic explanation?
heh, well - I've heard a gnostic one that deals with emanations and I suspect it's along those lines, but no - not explicitly
Actually, it is quite opposed to the gnostic understanding.
There are two explanations, but they are saying the same thing. They are just phrased in different ways.
The first is that G-d is love. The word love in Hebrew is ahava which is related to the word hav which means to give. In order to love, you need to give to another. And the greatest love is to give to someone undeserving in the best way possible. The highest form of charity (that comes from the Greek and is related to the word care) is to give someone an opportunity to earn something for themselves. So G-d created the void and gave it the capacity to "earn" its reward so that He may ultimately give it something.
^^ that reminds me of Edward Scissorhands
The second is that G-d desired to reach that which is furthest away from Him, the "nether regions." He created the void where He is not and brings Himself into it.
I dunno - that tree of life and emanations thing... whenever I hear that my brain says "that's how kabbalah does things" - and the gnostic version I heard is just that the last emanation tried creation and it didn't come out well
it's like: God is Love, Life is suffering, make sense of that.
That thing that loves me made me so I could suffer and then he'll give me a present afterwards if I'm thankful and obedient?
and due to the power dynamics, the only response that doesn't make things worse is "thank you sir, may I have another"
^^ You are way too cynical.
i've lived with humans my whole life
Well, maybe you need to wrestle a bit less with people and a bit more with G-d. G-d did not make you so that you could suffer. G-d made you so that you could enjoy. So that you could receive.
That is what the word Kabbalah means. To receive.
then why the fuck did he make me so cynical :p
He didn't. He gave you choices.
Just like a father who lets go when you are riding the bicycle.
Yeah, you might fall and skin your knee. But the point is not skinning your knee. The point is teaching you to ride the bicycle.
no sir. A father teaching you to ride a bicycle is in the process of rendering himself irrelevant, your guy wants me to craft myself into something that'll be happy singing his praises for eternity after 80 years of lie (as I understand it)
LOL.
Gnosticism really is poison.
the end goal of your life of worship appears to be an eternity of worship that isn't hard
sorry (appears to me)
There is a difference between the worship you describe and gratitude. If you receive a great gift and are grateful, is that bad? G-d doesn't give because He wants something from you. You have nothing to give Him.
Have you heard my dog analogy?
doubtful
other than I'm supposed to be glad for crumbs since I'm not a Semite, I don't have much about dogs when it comes to the Abrahamic faiths
I buy my dog treats. When I give my dog a treat, I make her do tricks and I give her only a little bit. Now, from her standpoint, she must think that I want her to do tricks. I don't actually care about any of her tricks. And she must wonder why I am so skimpy with the treats. Well, she actually enjoys the whole thing a lot more when she does tricks and I don't give her the whole bag because she will get sick.
I only buy the treats for her. I like nothing more than to see her happy.
so us goyim are like your cat? :p
If you think it is so great being a Jew, you could convert, you know.
I would gladly trade places if I could.
I can't Jacob, I try very very hard not to be disingenuous
particularly in spiritual matters
You think being a Jew is about being disingenuous?
or, I was responding to the notion of me converting to judiasm
I don't understand. You mean disingenuous towards G-d?
I couldn't become a Jew any easier than I could become a catholic
But why would you want to be a Jew or a Catholic?
loneliness primarily, but I don't. Just pointing out I'm not the 'fake it til you make it' type, and trying to convert to something I don't believe. It's why I can't pray for shit, I have to believe in prayer enough to do it and that's a very rare occurrence
i guess alienation may be a more accurate word than loneliness
Don't pray if you don't believe. Don't do anything if you don't believe it is the right thing to do.
Wrestle with G-d, Grim. Argue. Shake your fist at the sky if you feel like it.
The only prayers I've managed lately have been to Uriel, but it occurred to me yesterday that technically that's one of Yahweh's guys and given my distrust of him I probably shouldn't be pointing prayers that way
LOL.
How do you feel about the Book of Job?
Like I'd be an asshole if you came over and I decided to let you fuck with my cat to prove to you it loved me
Demiurge is it?
Skip the angels and the demiurges.
Go straight at the source and bring your sword if you feel like it.
no one comes unto the father but by me, I saw the face of God and called the place ...hey, speaking of ancient hebrew....
given the way baba wanyama leans on it, your take on that stretch of verses interests me. Have you covered that 'face of God' part?
The root of the word face in Hebrew is P.N.H. It can mean to turn, to face and to empty. By extension it can mean face, side, corner and inside.
When we talk about the face of G-d, we are talking about that which is most revelatory. When G-d turns toward you, you see His face. But if you were to see His face, you would no longer be able to be you.
Which is what it means when it says that no one can see His face and live.
So G-d hides His face. So that you can be you.
^^ it's neat how much you say lines up with the woo
no -
splain to me why David called the place Pineal
I thought that was Jacob.
i thought it was king david, who knew the secret chord that pleased the lord according to that heathen Cohen
lol - no surprise for me to get bible characters wrong
"what's the word he called it", he asks the ancient language guy. "why'd he call it a place" and "can you not get there in prayer?"
It is possible to get there. I just don't think many people do. And I think you should be careful what you ask for. You might just receive it.
The verse says why he called it that. That is where he was able to see G-d.
yeah, but given what you know about language, and adam with naming shit, look at the word close plz
how did he make the word, why did he choose those parts?
and is 'place' there reference to physical or metaphysical location?
I mean, it is all here.
I'm not asking those guys, I'm asking you. there's an alignment between a thing I'm curious about and a thing you care about, I want your take - not the sum of your research, what you think
I agree with those guys.
The root is P.N.H. Like I said above.
All physical locations correspond to metaphysical locations.
how did he make the word, why did he choose those parts?
what do you think/feel - best guess opinion
I don't really understand what you are asking. It all seems really simple to me. There are a ton of similar instances in the Bible. People name things for what happens there. E-l is the name almost always used for G-d in places. Bethel for example. Even Israel.
And what happened there was that he saw G-d in an inner manner, so the root P.N.H.
I don't think it is particularly noteworthy, actually.
^^ the only people to which it should not be noteworthy are those who have no difficulty seeing god in an inner manner
What I'm asking is: Put your imaginal self into the context of the event preceding the naming, and guess at his thought when he chose the name.
"and he saw god in an inner manner" is the closest you've come to answering with what I'm asking for
All I can think of is that I am failing to explain something because it just seems so obvious to me. Jacob saw the ladder, he saw angels, he was able to grab ahold and wrestle with G-d there.
then the root is enough to use as a foil against literalists...
I guess the more appropriate angel with your perspective becomes how the gland got it's name, and why there' a pinecone statue at the Vatica
You see too many connections. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
<insert Peterson clip about the cognitive costs of foundation-shaking information> :p
Hey - can I rip this convo to substack minus the irrelevant meatspace details?
Sure.
That was amazing!!!
V funny too...sometimes ~:-)
Were you trolling re the word...?
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